Episode 185

Real Estate Insights & Whiskey Tasting Feat. Christian Cardamone

Published on: 29th October, 2025

New Studio, Real Estate Insights & Whiskey Tasting Feat. Christian Cardamone

In this episode of the Whiskey and Wisdom Podcast 3.0, the hosts unveil a new studio location with improved natural light and ambiance.

Special guest Christian Cardamone makes a return, sharing his journey from offering his studio space to discussing his extensive experience in real estate development and investment over 22 years. They delve into the challenges of tree mitigation in development, the importance of strategic urban planning, and the dynamics of the central business district in Wilmington.

The guys also talk about Christian's podcast 'The Build Better Blueprint,' where he interviews high-net-worth individuals to glean success strategies. The show rounds off with a discussion on favorite local coffee shops, a whiskey tasting of a 21-year-old Glen Ick scotch, and a captivating conversation about personal growth, the definition of success, and the significance of community and relationships.


00:00 Welcome to the New Studio

00:58 Special Guest: Christian Cardamone

03:13 Diving into Whiskey and Scotch

09:54 Exploring Tequila and Other Spirits

13:17 Life Updates and New Beginnings

17:48 Real Estate Insights and Challenges

26:49 Long-Term Urban Planning Vision

28:27 The Build Better Blueprint Podcast

28:58 Podcast Goals and Success Stories

31:01 The Value of Networking and Relationships

33:54 Financial Growth and Real Estate Investing

44:58 Personal Definitions of Success

46:52 Favorite Coffee Spots in Wilmington

51:56 Final Thoughts and Closing Remarks

Transcript
Chris:

Welcome back to the Whiskey and Wisdom Podcast everybody.

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This is 3.0.

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As you can tell we're in a new location.

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Just mixing it up a little bit

some people got upgrades in life.

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Some people get better studios.

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I don't think this is

really a better studio.

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I just think it's a different studio.

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Tyler: The only reason why it's

better is because it's in my office.

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I think.

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Christian: I think it's a better studio.

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Hands down, this is, this feels legit.

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Just as a guest looking out, you're

elevated, you're looking out.

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It's a beautiful day.

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Plenty of natural light.

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Trust me, this is a win.

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Chris: It's been a goal for years

to kind of just like get a set

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studio space that's different.

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Get some green in here if you

guys know, you know, Chris

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Tyler: loves his

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Chris: green.

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Set it up.

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Yeah, send it.

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Tyler: Chris also likes it because

I do all of the work on a Friday

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before the Sunday we come in here.

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So he gets to sit down, we

press play and we go, yeah.

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But the reason why we have Christian in

here today is because we were using his

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studio for the last few months, actually,

probably close to a year actually.

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And, wanted to say thank you

so much for letting us come

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into your space and use it.

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We've loved using that spot.

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We've had so many compliments of

how it looks and the paintings

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and just the feel in there too.

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So I do greatly appreciate that.

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I know all of our guests do.

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And so I wanted to publicly thank you

for everything that you've helped us

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with and done in the background there.

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And also, you've grown a lot and have

done a lot of things since the last

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time we brought you on the podcast.

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Mm-hmm.

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And just wanted to see

what you have going on.

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'cause it's, it's inspiring watching

your journey as well too, dude.

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So, introduce yourself again

for anyone who hasn't watched.

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And if you haven't watched, go

back and watch the first one.

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Christian: Oh yeah.

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Awesome.

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Well, thank you guys for having me.

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I love what you guys are doing and

I'm, I'm very grateful to be back.

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So I'll start off with, this

is definitely an upgrade.

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'cause even though.

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Thanks for the kudos about my studio.

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My studio was like

slapped together quickly.

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For those of you who don't know

it, it doesn't have any windows.

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And so that's why this is right

there, right outta the gate.

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It's a, it's a win.

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But I'm Christian Cardamone

kind of like a Wilmington local.

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Moved here in 96 from New York and

went to high school, went to college.

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I've been a small business owner, operator

kind of entrepreneur, and been mainly real

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estate's Been my game for the last 20.

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Two years done some development,

some construction, some rentals, some

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short term, long term, some flipping,

like a little bit of everything.

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Mm-hmm.

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And yeah, I just, I'm

stoked to be here, man.

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I'm a, I'm very blessed

and I love Wilmington.

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I've got nothing but good things

to say about it and I just love

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being a part of things like this.

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So, yeah, I mean, you guys have, I've

been following your journey and I was so

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stoked when I offered you guys to come to

my studio and you said yes, because like

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we were talking about flying selfishly

I wanted to be around people that were

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doing big things with their podcast.

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As someone who started a podcast

last year, kind of to try and force

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myself to get uncomfortable it's,

dude, it's a lot harder than it looks.

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Mm-hmm.

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So I have massive respect for you

guys, like game, respect game.

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You guys are the real thing.

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And I think that that's

just so cool to have.

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A local guys like you who are doing

big things in the media space.

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So, kudos to you.

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Tyler: Thank you.

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Yeah, appreciate it.

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Before we get too far into it,

Chris was doing research on our

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whiskey today, so, so let's learn

about that and take our first step.

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Chris: Is it really.

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Whiskey though.

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Tyler: So all scotch is all scotch is

whiskey, but not all whiskey is scotch.

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Same thing with bourbon.

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Yeah.

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Chris: So I asked that question

because we are drinking Glen Ick.

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I probably said it wrong because I'm

not scotch or s Scottish descent.

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But super beautiful.

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This is a 21-year-old Grand Reserva.

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I gotta say, out of all of the websites

I look at, this is probably like top two

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and not number two websites because like

I'm looking at it and it's like just a

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beautiful swipe through so many setups.

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So oddly enough, this is, this

scotch was raised in Scotland

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and quote unquote roused by the

Caribbean because it is a 21 year.

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Glenda, which I didn't know they

did but it does most of its life

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in a classic like Scottish setup.

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And then they finish it in Caribbean

reserved or reserve a rum cask to

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add some ginger and fig notes to it.

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Let's see their website.

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There's so much going on.

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Stop.

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Tyler: I definitely got a little

bit of the ginger in there.

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I'm glad it was rested in rum casts.

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'cause I'm really not a Scotch fan.

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I've tried a lot of different scotches.

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I don't care who you are, people

out there that are Scotch people.

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It's not because I haven't

tried the right one.

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I've tried a lot.

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I don't like it.

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Stop trying to force me to like it.

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This one, since it was rested

in rum cast, I can tolerate it.

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Yeah, I don't like scotch.

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I'm sorry.

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So you'll notice

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Chris: it has a nice dark

golden color on the nose.

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You should smell a little bit

of vanilla, some floral hints

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of your classic rum stuff.

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So like banana figs.

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And then you get some of that

scotch, which is gonna be some

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toffee, some leather and oak.

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And then your tasting note

should be a little bit peppery.

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I mean, it's a scotch.

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It's usually peppery and then some

smoked oak, lime and ginger and spices.

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And then it's supposed to be a

little bit of a dry spicier flavor.

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Christian: This is the

cornucopia juice, pretty much.

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Mm.

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This is really good.

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This doesn't taste like

scotch almost at all.

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Yeah.

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Like most scotch has a very defined like.

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Bandaid labor, you know, that

should be one of the tasting notes.

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Yeah.

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This tastes like a, just a

really rich bourbon or whiskey.

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I don't know if I am refined enough

to tell a difference between a

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bourbon and a whiskey, but it

tastes like that kind of spirit.

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Cheers.

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This is good stuff.

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Chris: Yeah, I can definitely, so

like on the very back end, you can

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taste the classic like pettiness.

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Mm-hmm.

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Right.

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But it is very, very subtle.

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Compared to a lot of the other

stuff that we've drank this

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Tyler: is probably one of my top

favorite scotches, even though

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it still does not hit the top 10

of overall whiskeys I've tried.

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Yeah.

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Where are you guys

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Christian: with rating systems

now that you guys have had

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as many episodes as you have?

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Chris: So, I think we're asking

the audience we're trying to

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figure out do we do a, a revamp

or a revisit of like our top 20.

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That we've done, or do we do

a seasonal showcase and show?

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'cause like, I love to be like, so

this is usually a summer or a winter.

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Mm-hmm.

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Springtime whiskey.

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So we're trying to figure that out.

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We have, we have tried so many.

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Yeah.

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Like, and it hurts my brain to think.

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How many

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Tyler: we've tried.

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There's been multiple times.

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I'm like, I know I've had that,

but I need to try it again to

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remember what it tastes like.

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Yes.

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Chris: Yeah.

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So I would say we're

well over 150 different.

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Whiskeys for, it's

probably close to hundred.

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Well, probably it would be cool

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Christian: if you guys showcase

like, a North Carolina one.

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Mm-hmm.

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You know, you could, you could maybe break

it down like regionally if you had to.

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'cause Yeah.

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There's so many different ones, man.

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Yes.

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And they're just, and.

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And then once they throw like a wrench

in it, like we're gonna age it in a,

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in a rum barrel or something, or like

a port like wine barrel or something.

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It just, it's like a hard left turn.

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So then you can't even compare that with

something that's like more traditional.

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Correct.

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So it's a, it's a wide like

gamut of flavor I think.

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I will

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Chris: say there's definitely.

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Obviously Scotch Bourbon, whiskey

is different, but when you do a,

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finished some, anything finished?

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Mm.

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It's a totally different category.

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Mm-hmm.

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Like it should be rated completely

different than everything else because

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of the way things get finished.

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Christian: So, Tyler, when you did

the end of days experience mm-hmm.

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What, what role did you play in the making

the whiskey or did you guys just barrel

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it and then see, see it and bottle it?

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Tyler: Yeah, so for us that's actually

we'll probably do another episode just

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talking about it and everything too.

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I may or may not open it.

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We'll see.

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But it was an investment barrel, so there

was a gentleman who paid for the barrel,

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rested it for three and a half years.

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And then the experience I got along

with like a few other people is you

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got to go in and bottle the whiskey.

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You put the label on it, you put the extra

sticker on it, and we put the sealant

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on top of it and all of the fancy end

of day stuff that you get along with it.

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So it was cool just like go

in there like, oh, how do you

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actually fill a bottle of whiskey?

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And like, what's the process like?

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So it was, it was neat just kind

of being behind the scenes a little

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Christian: bit.

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Yeah.

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That facility, oh, kudos to those guys.

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Man, that place is, I love that.

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That's in our backyard too.

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Mm-hmm.

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Right?

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'cause that facility is

so cool to go and see how.

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How they do it.

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And it's, that's definitely

like an artisan operation.

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Mm-hmm.

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But they are, they're a tremendous brand.

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I mean, they're very big too.

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So it's, oh yeah.

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Really cool.

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And they're

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Tyler: gen specifically?

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I've been getting into gen lately.

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Mm-hmm.

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One of my favorite Jens.

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Chris: Yeah.

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Tyler: Mm-hmm.

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Chris: That's another we could

do, like every month we could drop

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like a single episode of like.

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Rating things and we could

still do like a solid Oh yeah.

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Six months.

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You doing it for a long time.

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Mm-hmm.

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And for those who don't know,

end of days is based here in

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Wilmington, in the cargo district.

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It was one of the, say one of

the first businesses over there.

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They, yeah,

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Christian: they

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Chris: really, it was close.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And they're still there,

still doing things.

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They now have like a little side side

hustle where they got like a, a popup.

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Kitchen or like different places,

like different restaurants come in.

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Concept kitchen.

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Yeah, there it is.

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Which has been pretty

awesome to check out.

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And then they're dropping these like

great new flavors on a regular basis.

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I'm, I haven't gone down.

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I would, did like a step into the gin

section and then I was like, eh, I'm okay.

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Tyler: I burned out my

palate on whiskey a year ago.

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Okay.

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And I was just like tired of anything that

looked brown, so I started going, ouch.

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Down the gin.

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Christian: Dude, I'm, I'm with you Chris.

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I took, you can't do that when

you have whiskey and wisdom

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as part of your identity here.

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Yes, exactly.

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I switched over to Tequila

maybe like a year ago too.

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'cause Oh yeah.

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Just I played in the band and we

always, like, Jameson was like our

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Coleen card for years, and it's

like, love it, love it, love it.

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And then after a while

I've been drinking tequila.

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And trying to find like the

purest, cleanest, in my mind,

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the healthiest, you know?

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To also kind of make me feel

like I'm trying to do my body a

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service, even though it's still

awful, it's poison, you know?

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Then when I have something

like this, it's like, this is,

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wow, this is full different.

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Have you had OCHO yet?

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OCHO is my go-to.

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That's mine.

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So is that yours too?

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Yeah.

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Dude, that stuff is amazing.

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Right?

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So

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Tyler: Good.

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And it's probably the

cleanest that I found anyway.

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Christian: Okay.

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That makes me feel great because I

was, I was told that, and I did like

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enough research to be okay with it.

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Mm-hmm.

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And then I was doing kind of taste

tests along Casamigos I liked, and

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Casamigos made like a crystal version

too, and I thought that was really good.

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But, ocho man.

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Chris: Mm-hmm.

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That's the stuff.

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This is the joys of like sitting

at a bar instead of like showing

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up with your friends all the time.

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Stepping away.

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Like if you take time to like just

go and learn from a bartender,

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asking them questions at a spot

where these people in eligible.

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It's amazing because literally the, I

would say last night we were sitting

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at the Ibis and I was asking these

questions 'cause like, I love Ibis.

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Shout out Matt Ray.

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He'll be on later.

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But their bartenders are so knowledgeable.

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So when I asked, I was

like, so I need a whiskey.

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My friend loves Espon, but Espon

to me was like 15 years ago.

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Like that was the expensive tequila.

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What is a better alternative

or a cleaner alternative?

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And he was like, so try

out Altos A-L-T-O-S.

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Like it's a square with like a right blue.

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I see it.

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And he is like, that is

a good like entry level.

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No to limited preservatives, so

it's still gonna be better for you.

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Which I was like, that makes sense.

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'cause that's what I got

when we went our honeymoon.

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They were like, you can get a bottle.

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And I'm like, bet.

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And then he said the same thing, like OCHO

is a great, like, it's not a inexpensive

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bottle 'cause it's like 60, 70 bucks.

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But it's still an amazing bottle for like

your, let's just have a tequila soda.

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Something that you can get some

good flavor and you're not gonna

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feel like shit the next day.

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All: Right.

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So,

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Chris: so how did you shift

from whiskey to tequila?

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Why did you not do like gin?

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I know why you didn't do vodka,

but like, or beer or something.

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Christian: Well, I've, over the last maybe

24 months, I've been working to just try.

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Improve my wellness overall.

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Mm-hmm.

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Just 'cause I'm, as I'm getting

older, I, you have to like, pay

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more attention to that because it

just becomes, if you don't make it a

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priority now, it, it, it's a lot closer.

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You know, it's later

than you think, I guess.

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Mm-hmm.

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Is what I would say.

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So, so you gotta just be

mindful of that stuff.

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So just little decisions and just trying

to optimize my life in, in different ways.

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And frankly I just kind of

got tired of certain things.

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I thought, well, lemme try something new.

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But I got a bottle of it

for my birthday last year.

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As a gift.

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And I was like, this is, I'll try it.

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And I had it and it was great.

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And then a buddy of mine, Steve told me

he was drinking it and then he told me,

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he like gave me like the pitch on it and

he's like, this is like the best tequila.

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It's like the purest, cleanest.

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And gave me the, he went down the

rabbit hole on how it's made and stuff.

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And I was like, all right, well this is,

let's go this route for a little while.

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So, yeah.

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It's not like I'm home drinking it by

the gallon, but, but if I was, that'd be

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what I would be drinking by the gallon.

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So yes, it's

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Tyler: good stuff.

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So another thing that happened

in your life, and we'll get

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into more business stuff too.

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You also had a baby.

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Christian: My wife had a baby.

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Tyler: Well, yes, yes.

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You played a, you played,

you played a small role.

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I participated, yeah.

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It was awesome.

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At least partially.

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Christian: Yeah, baby Luca

Franco Cardamone got here.

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Three months ago, and dude, he's amazing.

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He's we just finished watching

the F1 race, Singapore race

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that happened this morning.

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So he is home.

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He's got his little Ferrari onesie on.

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That's awesome.

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Good for him.

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He was awake and, and kicking

and wiggling the whole time.

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And he's healthy as can be.

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We're so blessed.

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And, and his his sister's now three and

a half years old, and she's, she's been,

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it's quite a change when another baby's

introduced into the equation, you know?

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That's awesome.

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And, and hats off to my wife 'cause

she's doing the heavy lifting.

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Mm-hmm.

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But it's, it's been, the last

six months have been crazy, so

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Tyler: I believe

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Christian: it.

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That's awesome.

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And you're still rocking with the bands?

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Still playing with the band.

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We played two weeks ago up at

Seven Mile Post, had a, had a

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good show and we're playing again.

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At Halloween.

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There seven mile posts.

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We do that like every year.

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Big Halloween show.

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And then we'll play a re We do like a

bar show, like a club show once a year.

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We do it at Reggie's.

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Oh.

415

:

So that'll be in December.

416

:

And that's like a throwback

to the days we used to play at

417

:

the whiskey downtown years ago.

418

:

Yeah.

419

:

It was like the di disgusting

dive bar that we loved.

420

:

And so that's our, not that

Reggie's is a disgusting dive.

421

:

Right.

422

:

But it's like a rock.

423

:

It's like one of the last few

like rock clubs we have in town.

424

:

Right.

425

:

So we're stoked to play

there and get loud and.

426

:

Play some grunge music,

and that'll be it for

427

:

Tyler: the

428

:

Christian: year.

429

:

Tyler: So the office that we're in, beacon

Wealth Management, so myself and then

430

:

Jody Burke and Eric Kohlberg as well.

431

:

But you know Jody.

432

:

Oh yeah.

433

:

And, and he loves coming

out and supporting you guys.

434

:

And every time you guys are out, he,

he lets me know after he goes, yeah.

435

:

And I'm like, jerk, why

don't you invite me?

436

:

But

437

:

Christian: Jody's awesome man.

438

:

Shout out to Jody.

439

:

He is, he's one of the

greatest dudes, man.

440

:

And I've known him for a long time.

441

:

Yeah, he's always been.

442

:

Big live music guy.

443

:

Yeah.

444

:

So I think that's cool.

445

:

Our town needs that.

446

:

That's what makes our town

special is a lot of people.

447

:

We have a lot of great music here.

448

:

Mm-hmm.

449

:

A lot of great talent, man.

450

:

And it gets, it gets supported

and that's really important.

451

:

Yeah.

452

:

So,

453

:

Chris: so, 'cause you're a live music

guy, I gotta ask the question, what do

454

:

you think about these sound ordinances.

455

:

And I ask that because I go to a lot of

bars that, and buy a lot, I mean like

456

:

three that are in positions where it's

like, Hey, 10 o'clock, cut the music.

457

:

Or like even downtown, I feel like

it starts midnight and yes, I'm old.

458

:

Am I gonna be out past 11?

459

:

Probably not.

460

:

Mm-hmm.

461

:

But I was curious of your position as

like, an artist and like someone who plays

462

:

Christian: man, I think.

463

:

It's one of those things where as you,

when you're younger and you're out and

464

:

you're playing, it's like, well, you

know, we're in a bar, we can be loud.

465

:

That's what the bar, that's

what that environment is for.

466

:

But from a different perspective,

you hear situations where there's

467

:

like a bar with like condos above

it, and so it's a, it's a tough call.

468

:

I mean, there's certain districts that are

designed in the city for a reason, central

469

:

business district being one of them.

470

:

Where then this just, if you buy

a piece of real estate in that.

471

:

Zoning district, it

comes with the territory.

472

:

Mm-hmm.

473

:

And so I think you have to have areas

that are designated for that, which we do.

474

:

So we gotta have it man, rock and roll.

475

:

That's just the bottom line in,

in the appropriate places at,

476

:

during the appropriate times.

477

:

And our, our like live music

window downtown, everything has

478

:

to stop at two o'clock anyway, so.

479

:

All: Mm-hmm.

480

:

Christian: That's pretty much it.

481

:

During the week, not a lot of music goes.

482

:

I, I don't go downtown as much as I

used to anymore, so I, I don't know.

483

:

But most of the time it's just a

couple, three or four nights a week.

484

:

And I, I would just say

it comes to the territory.

485

:

So you gotta know what your buyer beware.

486

:

Do your homework before you buy a

piece of property that's in the central

487

:

business district, and then it'll be fine.

488

:

Wait, where's the central

489

:

Chris: business district?

490

:

Christian: Like downtown?

491

:

We have it's an overlay.

492

:

It kind of like a third

street to the river.

493

:

Okay.

494

:

And then it goes down to maybe

orange on the south side and all

495

:

the way down to like, Cape Fear.

496

:

Okay.

497

:

On the north side.

498

:

So those are areas where the zoning

is very favorable to business.

499

:

And so for example, they're not

working to preserve green spaces

500

:

like you can, there's zero lot lines.

501

:

If you're building, you can build.

502

:

That's why buildings are

right next to each other.

503

:

Okay.

504

:

The restriction, the height restrictions.

505

:

Are very flexible there.

506

:

They're usually like 42 to 44 feet

there, so you can go, that's why you see

507

:

these condensed areas of, of density.

508

:

Mm-hmm.

509

:

Okay with that.

510

:

And so that's 'cause they

want to invite business.

511

:

So they have to have that down there

and they have to have people that

512

:

are allowed to turn the music up.

513

:

'cause that's where people

want to go and do commerce.

514

:

So.

515

:

Tyler: Well, thank you so much.

516

:

That was an amazing segue because if

you didn't listen to the first episode,

517

:

Christian's also in the real estate game.

518

:

So he is mm-hmm.

519

:

The person who would know

the most about this anyway.

520

:

'cause that's, that's your job.

521

:

Christian: Yeah, that's,

I mean, I love, I love it.

522

:

I live for it.

523

:

It.

524

:

I'm in the throes of an interesting

process with the city now.

525

:

I'm working to develop a

small like, mid-rise building.

526

:

I saw that.

527

:

Yeah.

528

:

Mm-hmm.

529

:

And so the technical review committee

is, is a, is a process I've been

530

:

through a couple times, but this

is been a bit of a challenge for

531

:

me with the city just because.

532

:

An infill lot, small infill lot.

533

:

And so, the biggest thing we're having

now to deal with is like tree mitigation.

534

:

Oh, yeah.

535

:

Something you never, you know,

it kind of became a big topic of

536

:

conversation co maybe like a month

or two ago when they were developing

537

:

that thing on Wrightsville Ave.

538

:

That complex air and they just,

they cut down bunch, everything,

539

:

everybody freaked out, you know?

540

:

Yeah.

541

:

So it's definitely, it's a real thing.

542

:

But the city in their ordinances and their

zonings, you know, the code is written

543

:

in a way and you have to abide by it.

544

:

And so it's, it's a delicate dance.

545

:

Yeah.

546

:

So I'm ready.

547

:

There I go.

548

:

Chris: And I understand, so like

in general you want to add more

549

:

businesses, more people into an area.

550

:

Mm-hmm.

551

:

But I also see the other side

of like there's trees that have

552

:

been here for hundreds of years.

553

:

Christian: Yeah.

554

:

Chris: In, I don't know why we

have to destroy all of them.

555

:

We should be able to like give it

some space or at least plant something

556

:

that can fill into that space.

557

:

And I feel like a lot of

places just go like, woo.

558

:

Knock it down and don't plan anything.

559

:

Christian: Yeah.

560

:

It's, well, it has to be done responsibly.

561

:

Mm-hmm.

562

:

Because you have to, you have to

weigh, and I think this is what I'm

563

:

dealing with now with the city, is

they have an ordinance that's written

564

:

that speaks to how to mitigate

trees if you're gonna cut them down.

565

:

What that means is like if you're

gonna cut one down, you have to

566

:

pay a certain dollar amount based

on the diameter of the tree.

567

:

And certain species are

protected and they require more.

568

:

And then you also have this like

critical root mass in the ground.

569

:

So you can't put anything in the

buildable footprint Ah, yeah.

570

:

Within those to protect the tree.

571

:

So there's a fine line between owning

land, being able to develop it and

572

:

being subservient to like zoning, but

then also being subservient to like

573

:

the tree, like the tree is gonna win.

574

:

So it's like I just, I guess I

can't just develop this because

575

:

my little piece of land, for

example, this is the ironic thing.

576

:

A single family home.

577

:

If I was gonna put a single family home

there, I can cut all the trees down, don't

578

:

have to pay a dollar, just I can get my

construction plans permitted, approved,

579

:

and I can cut down all the trees.

580

:

The trees that I have to cut

down for this same thing because

581

:

it's a commercial building, it's

gonna cost me like 60 grand.

582

:

So I'm thinking, well, the

city wants more housing.

583

:

The city is an infill lot.

584

:

Mm-hmm.

585

:

These aren't any protected species.

586

:

And so as a developer, it's making

me want to not develop to the

587

:

highest and best use of the, of the

land, which doesn't serve the city.

588

:

So the way that ordinance is written it's

more appropriate if you had an acre or

589

:

two or three acres out here with beautiful

live oaks and something to preserve.

590

:

But these are, these are not

a protected species of tree.

591

:

And so it's one of the frustrating things

I'm dealing with with this right now.

592

:

And so.

593

:

Just comes to the territory, I guess.

594

:

Yes.

595

:

Chris: Yeah.

596

:

So, hot topic question.

597

:

What is your opinion on this

is a good thought process.

598

:

What is your opinion on adding more

apartments before you expand the road?

599

:

Christian: I mean, that's been the

biggest thing that people complain about

600

:

here is parking and infrastructure.

601

:

Mm-hmm.

602

:

And so, at a certain point in

time, you know, we're, we're s.

603

:

It's geographically we're,

you know, a triangle.

604

:

We've got the river,

the ocean, we're stuck.

605

:

You know, there's not

much left, pretty much.

606

:

Right.

607

:

And so, I feel like most of the

damage has been done and the, the

608

:

leadership that we've had, I've been,

you know, a big supporter of, of a

609

:

lot of our, the current folks that are

in office downtown, but they've also

610

:

been there so long since I got here.

611

:

A lot of them have been in office.

612

:

Right?

613

:

Yeah.

614

:

And these problems weren't

necessarily here when I got here.

615

:

In 96, this was a, we were, was a farm.

616

:

Oh yeah.

617

:

You know, I used to drive my Volkswagen

beetle down here, down in military

618

:

cutoff and there was cows and horses.

619

:

Yeah, right.

620

:

I'm dating myself, but I mean, there's a

621

:

Chris: three lane road for all

until I went to high school.

622

:

Christian: Yeah.

623

:

Yeah.

624

:

And so we've seen all this develop in a

lot of the folks that are in office now.

625

:

Were, we're in office back then,

and all they've done is develop.

626

:

So it has to be done

more responsibly I think.

627

:

I mean, we need, we need a lot

of help with infrastructure.

628

:

But now you can't do it, dude.

629

:

You can't put the genie

back in the bottle.

630

:

Right.

631

:

Yeah.

632

:

About to say, you know, you can't

widen the roads when there's

633

:

buildings or houses, or you can't

just go and exercise imminent domain.

634

:

It doesn't work like that anymore.

635

:

Right.

636

:

You know?

637

:

So

638

:

Chris: I was curious 'cause I was out my

side of town, they're adding apartment

639

:

complexes and I'm like, yes, I understand

capitalism and the fact that we need money

640

:

and we wanna bring people here, which.

641

:

Will then cause other businesses to show

up here and like want to develop it.

642

:

But I'm also like, can we not use a

little money and just push it back

643

:

a year and just make this road a

little bit wider because a two lane

644

:

road for all these people trying

to get into GE is not the move.

645

:

Yeah.

646

:

Especially with more construction,

647

:

Christian: I think that we need

some folks to propose something.

648

:

Possibly, and I'm not saying like

politically in the middle of the

649

:

road, but figuratively or, or even, or

literally really between like, let's

650

:

save all the trees and never develop

anything and no new people can come

651

:

here and, and let's lock Wilmington down

and just keep it the way it is forever.

652

:

Versus we have to be pro development.

653

:

You know, that's just the nature of

the beast, but something in the middle.

654

:

Yeah.

655

:

That just shows responsible development.

656

:

So, restrictions that,

that apply to developers.

657

:

But it needs to be more specific

to the site versus just a huge, a

658

:

blanket, blanket area of like, even

something as broad as a zoning district.

659

:

I think so, and that's just, that's

just been my experience seeing it.

660

:

And so we just need someone to,

development's probably one of the biggest

661

:

hot ticket items in our, in our area.

662

:

Mm-hmm.

663

:

So that needs to be the topic

of conversation and then the

664

:

folks that are running for

office right now it needs to be.

665

:

It's at the forefront, I

think of the discussion.

666

:

Tyler: Yes.

667

:

Yeah.

668

:

'cause you have two different.

669

:

Options really if you're gonna

look at the two separate sides.

670

:

So if you say absolutely no more

development, you're gonna have like

671

:

a Long Island where they're not

doing a lot of development and the

672

:

houses are just stupid expensive.

673

:

'cause everyone wants to move

there and there's only so

674

:

much supply for the demand.

675

:

Mm-hmm.

676

:

Or you flip the other way and go like the

LA route or you just build on top of each

677

:

other until you have absolute gridlock.

678

:

So to your point, like you have

to find a happy medium somewhere.

679

:

'cause you're going to

achieve one or the other.

680

:

Yeah.

681

:

Especially, like you

said, we're in a triangle.

682

:

There's only so much you can do.

683

:

It's

684

:

Christian: even more important here

because of our physical size is so

685

:

small, so Wilmington just needs to

figure out what its identity is.

686

:

Mm-hmm.

687

:

And then commit to that and get the

whole county and city to buy into that.

688

:

And then it's like, are we

exactly, are we the next Hamptons

689

:

or are we the next Myrtle Beach?

690

:

Right.

691

:

You guys pick and whatever we wanna do,

let's just do it together, but let's

692

:

all get a line again on the same base.

693

:

Yeah.

694

:

And this is such a

special place that it's.

695

:

Like Charleston's probably

a good role model for us.

696

:

Savannah.

697

:

Those are good cities where you have like

the historic riverfronts and then you

698

:

have the beaches on the barrier islands.

699

:

But these are like.

700

:

You know, grownup things you never

think about until you become a grownup.

701

:

Exactly.

702

:

Yeah.

703

:

And then you're like, ah, traffic,

you know, and, but, and the

704

:

taxes are going up and all this

stuff, but it's, it's real man.

705

:

And this affects us.

706

:

So, I sound like a politician, dude.

707

:

So when are you running?

708

:

No.

709

:

Oh man, I

710

:

Chris: gotta go.

711

:

I laugh.

712

:

So this was not an announcement podcast.

713

:

I was, I was thinking so like my friend

was driving through Carrie and was like.

714

:

He loves the visual of it.

715

:

'cause like they have a

median down most of the space.

716

:

Yeah.

717

:

And then they have

trees on the other side.

718

:

And I'm like, it reminds me of downtown,

like yes, it sucked when they started

719

:

putting medians in down like third street.

720

:

Mm-hmm.

721

:

And you're like, oh this

is, this is frustrating.

722

:

'cause it stops me from cutting across.

723

:

And I'm like, but as an adult I was

like, well also limits the amount of.

724

:

Accidents we have of

someone shooting across.

725

:

Totally.

726

:

Should they probably have like made the

parking spots a little bit wider so I

727

:

can inch out and see around that suburban

that's decided to park on this last spot.

728

:

Yeah.

729

:

Mm-hmm.

730

:

But then I'm also like, that'd be nice

to do on like all of the barrier streets

731

:

that need to be expanded, like make 'em

two lanes, but put a median down the

732

:

middle with some trees and guess what?

733

:

You replaced some of the

trees you got rid of.

734

:

Which can help a little bit, and

then it turns it from looking like

735

:

just an aisle of just openness to

having a little bit more character.

736

:

Christian: Yeah.

737

:

I think there's, there's has to be, I

think what we just need is more vision.

738

:

Mm-hmm.

739

:

And we need a longer view.

740

:

Mm-hmm.

741

:

So it's not just like, what's the next

1, 2, 3, 5 years when you're, when you.

742

:

Master planning cities and

layouts for urban environments.

743

:

It's like 15, 20, 50 year visions, right.

744

:

That we need.

745

:

And I just don't know that anyone's

sat down and made the case to the, to

746

:

the public here, like, this is, this

is what Wilmington needs to look like.

747

:

It's just like, let's just

get to the next election.

748

:

Mm-hmm.

749

:

And, and here's the next, here's the

thing that you guys are gonna click on

750

:

or talk about and just to get votes.

751

:

And it's we just need someone

with like a grander vision.

752

:

To preserve this place, to this place.

753

:

I was in landfall the other day just

looking at a piece of real estate.

754

:

That's one of the prettiest

subdivisions ever.

755

:

And it, it gets a lot of flat 'cause

it's like, you know, where all

756

:

the rich people live or whatever.

757

:

But dude, that's, that's

the same landscape.

758

:

It's Right.

759

:

You could throw a football into

landfall from where we are.

760

:

Exactly.

761

:

Yeah.

762

:

And so our whole city could

look like that, you know?

763

:

Yeah.

764

:

It's just.

765

:

All the, it's, I love it.

766

:

That's why I love it here, but I just

wanna protect it and preserve it.

767

:

Tyler: Yeah.

768

:

Kind of same line.

769

:

I don't have a dog in the fight.

770

:

I live in Brunswick County, but

you can say the same thing out

771

:

there too, is they're being very

reactive over there right now.

772

:

I'm like, we have so much

green space right now.

773

:

If you had the right leadership in

there, it'd be like, Hey, this is

774

:

what it's gonna be like in 25 years.

775

:

Christian: Yeah.

776

:

Tyler: Leland.

777

:

J me being optimistic and me being

a Brunswick County and right now,

778

:

we could take over Wilmington if

you do it right, and if Wilmington

779

:

stays on the right track.

780

:

Yeah.

781

:

Or on, on this track.

782

:

On this track.

783

:

Yeah.

784

:

But yeah, to your point, like you can't

just keep being reactive to everything.

785

:

Just looking to the next election

cycle, like there has to be

786

:

some type of grand vision.

787

:

But I'm gonna take our subject and

flip it a little bit 'cause I wanted

788

:

to talk to you about this too.

789

:

Yeah.

790

:

So get off the, the politics

of real estate and go into

791

:

something a little bit more fun.

792

:

You mentioned this before,

so you have your own podcast.

793

:

Oh yeah.

794

:

And I've listened to a few episodes.

795

:

I really like what you're doing on there.

796

:

Tell us a little bit about

your podcast and what you're

797

:

trying to accomplish with it.

798

:

Christian: Thank you.

799

:

So my podcast is called

The Build Better Blueprint.

800

:

Mm-hmm.

801

:

And it was.

802

:

An exercise that I forced myself to do,

like I said before, just to try something

803

:

new to get a little uncomfortable.

804

:

Yeah.

805

:

And I launched it a year ago.

806

:

I think I'm in episodes or

like in the mid fifties.

807

:

Mm-hmm.

808

:

Yeah.

809

:

So, my goal with it was really just

to interview like high net worth

810

:

individuals who have found success and

find out what they did to get there.

811

:

Because there's, there's a one podcast

I've, I discovered a couple years ago,

812

:

and the guy's moniker is like getting

the knowledge from the people who have

813

:

it to the people who need it or whatever.

814

:

Mm-hmm.

815

:

Mm-hmm.

816

:

And I just think that

everyone's opportunity is there.

817

:

If you're an able-bodied and you,

you know, you're in America today,

818

:

you have opportunity in front of you

so much that you don't even know.

819

:

And, and so many people.

820

:

They're not nearly as smart

as you are wildly successful.

821

:

Mm-hmm.

822

:

All you gotta do is know.

823

:

You just need to know

what, what play to run.

824

:

So I just want to, to meet as many people

as I could that were successful, find

825

:

out what they did to, to find success and

success in family, success in business,

826

:

success in faith, or whatever it is.

827

:

It success means something

different to everybody.

828

:

Mm-hmm.

829

:

So I do the best part about it, and

maybe you guys can speak to this, is

830

:

the people that I've met through that.

831

:

Have just become, some of them

become very close friends.

832

:

Yeah.

833

:

Some of them I never speak to again, but

I had a great just interaction with them.

834

:

It's so cool, man.

835

:

It's just, it's the neatest, I'm not

even sure how to define it, but the

836

:

fact that you can create this little

conversation and put it out into the

837

:

world and then you go online to like

look at your analytics and there's.

838

:

20 people in Russia have taken

the time and they know who I am.

839

:

Yeah.

840

:

That's freaking weird dude.

841

:

Yeah.

842

:

And, and I'm, I'm very like

small, you know, I'm not, I don't

843

:

do a lot of publicity with it

'cause I'm still figuring it out.

844

:

'Cause it's also another skill to learn.

845

:

Yeah.

846

:

And to, and to put yourself out

there to do that is also, as you

847

:

guys know, you've done it very well.

848

:

It's a challenge, so.

849

:

Mm-hmm.

850

:

But I'm coming up on my one

year anniversary and we'll see.

851

:

I told myself I'd do it for a year just

so I didn't quit when it gets hard.

852

:

Right.

853

:

Mm-hmm.

854

:

So we'll see.

855

:

I'm probably gonna revamp a little

bit and start having some more guests

856

:

and I'd love to have you guys on.

857

:

So that's, that's the build better

blueprint on Apple and Spotify.

858

:

That's awesome.

859

:

Wherever you get your podcasts.

860

:

Yes.

861

:

Yeah.

862

:

Tyler: Yeah.

863

:

So it sounds like you did it

for very similar-ish reasons to.

864

:

Like while we started.

865

:

So one of the main questions I get

when I talk about a podcast are like,

866

:

oh, like I see like the views you

get in your shorts and everything.

867

:

Like how much money do you make off of it?

868

:

Mm-hmm.

869

:

Like, I haven't monetized it,

I don't want to monetize it.

870

:

Like I wanna bring the people on

that I wanna bring on to build

871

:

the network that I wanna build.

872

:

Yeah.

873

:

And that's the most important thing to me.

874

:

So like I, if I bring

someone who I really like.

875

:

But like an advertiser would be like,

that person's gonna get like three views.

876

:

Like, I don't care about that.

877

:

Like, I'm gonna talk to him

'cause I wanna talk to 'em.

878

:

They have a story that they

want to share with someone.

879

:

I think there's value in their story

that if one of our, like couple

880

:

thousand people listen to, if they

get value from it, that that's more,

881

:

I mean, I have a, I have a good job.

882

:

I don't need the podcast to make money.

883

:

The, the relationships and

networking is worth way more.

884

:

I think

885

:

Christian: that's probably why you guys

have done so well with it, because.

886

:

You don't need it.

887

:

Right.

888

:

So it doesn't feel like needy.

889

:

Like you guys are here

and, and everything's like

890

:

brought to you by Glen Fitt.

891

:

You know, it's like, it's like, oh, Rolex.

892

:

The, the, the best way to tell time.

893

:

It's like, you guys are here

'cause, 'cause you want this.

894

:

And then if, if a byproduct of that

is a relationship or someone learns

895

:

something, then that fills your cup.

896

:

Mm-hmm.

897

:

And so in this world today where

everything is human capital is

898

:

like, relationships are the most

valuable thing you can have.

899

:

Yeah.

900

:

So you might not need.

901

:

Me today.

902

:

I might not need you today, but

we've built a, a friendship and a

903

:

relationship and down the road if and

when there comes a time, we have that.

904

:

And that's right.

905

:

That's more valuable than like an an ad.

906

:

Exactly.

907

:

I think.

908

:

And if we don't ever need each other

and it doesn't need even to be like a

909

:

user concept, it's just this is a great

thing to do on a Sunday afternoon.

910

:

So I, I think it's a great, platform.

911

:

Tyler: One of the things I think

is a disservice that people talk

912

:

about, not saying this is a bad

thing, but the absolute focus on

913

:

making sure your profession is

something you're passionate about.

914

:

Because I do think there could be

something that you do to make the money

915

:

that you're not passionate about, but you

can then take the assets that you created

916

:

there to put into some type of passion

that's not generating you an income.

917

:

I think that could be.

918

:

Even more valuable in certain ways because

then, then you can take that passion and

919

:

actually give of service to someone else.

920

:

And I feel like that

would serve your cup more.

921

:

'cause you see all these people

on Instagram and stuff now,

922

:

they're like, oh, I became a.

923

:

Whatever, influencer or whatever coach.

924

:

'cause they're taking something

they're passionate about and

925

:

trying to turn money into it.

926

:

Yeah.

927

:

And they already have like a good

paying job doing something else.

928

:

Just because everyone's

telling you need to make money

929

:

doing everything that you do.

930

:

Like if you're putting an hour into

it, you better get a return on it.

931

:

Yeah.

932

:

Like, okay, I'm getting a return off of

this right now, but just not monetarily.

933

:

Like I enjoy sitting

down and talking to you.

934

:

Yeah.

935

:

That's, that's a huge return for me.

936

:

Yeah.

937

:

And you being able to provide value to

our listeners, that's a huge value for me.

938

:

Christian: Yeah.

939

:

Well that's a great way to

look at it too, because.

940

:

Money is a tool and money is

good for the good it can do.

941

:

Right?

942

:

So the way you generate income, I and I

talk to folks about real estate investing.

943

:

We touch on this often because

everyone's like, I want to quit my W2

944

:

and just be a real estate investor.

945

:

Mm-hmm.

946

:

And it's like your W2 is the

biggest tool you have to help you

947

:

become a real estate investor.

948

:

Mm-hmm.

949

:

It's the income you're generating to then

buy the assets and invest in, which over

950

:

time will appreciate and, and provide

the benefits of real estate investment.

951

:

You don't wanna lose that.

952

:

Mm-hmm.

953

:

If you have an engine that you

have already control over that

954

:

generates income, that allows

you to, to do these other things.

955

:

So yeah, it's very important.

956

:

Right.

957

:

Tyler: I'm gonna oblige it for a while.

958

:

I'll let you go now.

959

:

Chris: You're good.

960

:

So go back a little bit and then

come forward the, with your podcast.

961

:

How do you find these people?

962

:

You said high net worth individuals.

963

:

For someone like me, I hear the

term, but I don't know, like.

964

:

What that really means.

965

:

Mm-hmm.

966

:

Because it, to me, I'm

like, high net worth.

967

:

I'm like, oh, well they have to have

this much money, or they have to

968

:

do this, or they have to own that.

969

:

And in general, I was looking at something

the other day and they were like, yeah,

970

:

you know, if you have over $500,000, like

in assets, you're wealthier than like

971

:

over like more than 95% of the population.

972

:

So for those people as, that's why

I was curious, like, where do you.

973

:

Where do you find these people?

974

:

Or like how do you like, oh,

I heard them or I saw them.

975

:

Like, where do you find

the pe your guests?

976

:

Christian: So, most of the guests

from my, from this past year have

977

:

come from masterminds or coaching

groups that I've been a part of.

978

:

Mm-hmm.

979

:

So one of the groups that I'm

in is called Go Abundance.

980

:

Mm-hmm.

981

:

It's, it's been just a

exceptional experience.

982

:

I joined at a year and a half ago.

983

:

And, and they have a financial threshold.

984

:

You have to be, worth over a

million dollars just to join.

985

:

Okay.

986

:

And then once you're in the group,

then there's levels, there's

987

:

champions level, which is worth

your $10 million or more net worth.

988

:

So there's different tiers in the group.

989

:

And everyone in there, the goal is

to help collaborate, to help bring,

990

:

you know, to help bring everyone up.

991

:

Yeah.

992

:

And help with the challenges of business

and in life and, and everything.

993

:

So that group is really in, there's a lot

of people in there that want to help you.

994

:

Launch something new or

support you in your endeavor.

995

:

So there's, and a lot of guys

in that group have big podcasts

996

:

and it's not industry specific.

997

:

So they're all different types of, of

industries in there, but that's where

998

:

most of those guys have come from.

999

:

Okay.

:

00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:15,620

And I've met most of 'em in person.

:

00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:19,880

But it's just, it's cool 'cause a lot

of these guys, I mean, I've been to a

:

00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:22,550

couple of the conferences and I'm sitting

next to a guy who's, you know, 10 years

:

00:36:22,550 --> 00:36:24,080

younger than me and we're talking and.

:

00:36:25,085 --> 00:36:27,545

One of the exercises you go through,

it's, it's really big on, like,

:

00:36:27,635 --> 00:36:30,755

you open the kimono and you go

through your financial balance sheet

:

00:36:30,755 --> 00:36:32,015

and you talk through everything.

:

00:36:32,015 --> 00:36:35,655

You really, it's get vulnerable on

a lot of levels, but that's how you,

:

00:36:35,775 --> 00:36:39,165

you grow when you have someone who's,

who's up here and you're down here

:

00:36:39,165 --> 00:36:41,805

and they can tell you, this is what

you need to do to help to get here.

:

00:36:42,165 --> 00:36:43,185

It's, it's really cool.

:

00:36:43,185 --> 00:36:45,645

And there's, you know, one of the

guys I was with is, he's worth like

:

00:36:45,645 --> 00:36:48,945

$40 million and I'm, I'm like, dude,

you look like a skater punk, right?

:

00:36:49,215 --> 00:36:51,210

But I learned so much

from that interaction.

:

00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:55,800

At that event that being able to talk

to these people is really valuable.

:

00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,250

So I want to be able to try and

expose my audience to that so they

:

00:36:59,250 --> 00:37:01,110

can see, dude, this guy can do it.

:

00:37:01,110 --> 00:37:01,590

You can do it.

:

00:37:01,710 --> 00:37:01,830

Yep.

:

00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:02,250

Right.

:

00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:06,010

And that, and that's really the,

the, the crux of, of why I wanted to

:

00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:09,460

start the podcast was just to say,

this is all here for the taking.

:

00:37:09,550 --> 00:37:10,990

You know, you gotta do the work, right?

:

00:37:10,990 --> 00:37:11,080

Yes.

:

00:37:11,110 --> 00:37:16,090

But choose your path and you can

make money so many different ways.

:

00:37:16,510 --> 00:37:17,530

It's terrifying.

:

00:37:17,740 --> 00:37:17,830

All: Mm-hmm.

:

00:37:18,655 --> 00:37:20,725

Christian: People make money

doing a lot of weird things.

:

00:37:20,785 --> 00:37:20,875

Yes.

:

00:37:20,875 --> 00:37:22,535

So, and they make a lot of it.

:

00:37:22,535 --> 00:37:25,385

So if you want, if you want, and

it's not all about money, but if

:

00:37:25,385 --> 00:37:28,265

you wanna make money, find someone

who's doing what you're, what you

:

00:37:28,265 --> 00:37:31,085

wanna do and get the playbook.

:

00:37:31,535 --> 00:37:31,685

Yeah.

:

00:37:31,895 --> 00:37:39,125

Chris: So, so then leads to, in general,

what was the like catalyst that like got

:

00:37:39,125 --> 00:37:41,405

you into the point where you're like, I.

:

00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,580

Want to grow and I want, and I can

be vulnerable because a lot of people

:

00:37:46,580 --> 00:37:49,220

like wanna grow, but they're like,

yeah, I don't wanna go sit in a

:

00:37:49,220 --> 00:37:53,060

class next to somebody who's probably

whose net worth is four times what

:

00:37:53,060 --> 00:37:54,410

I have, or 10 times what I have.

:

00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:58,370

What was that thing that was like, you

know, I'm not the best in the room.

:

00:37:58,730 --> 00:37:59,840

I need to make some changes.

:

00:38:01,315 --> 00:38:05,210

Christian: I'm not sure that there

was a specific flashpoint where I

:

00:38:05,210 --> 00:38:07,430

just, the script flipped, but mm-hmm.

:

00:38:07,950 --> 00:38:10,860

Man, I think it just

maybe over time, but you.

:

00:38:11,295 --> 00:38:13,125

You just have to be growing.

:

00:38:13,125 --> 00:38:17,295

Otherwise, you're, if

stagnation is, is the end.

:

00:38:17,415 --> 00:38:20,985

So if you're not pushing yourself, if

you're not being surrounded by people

:

00:38:20,985 --> 00:38:22,455

that are where you want to go, mm-hmm.

:

00:38:22,695 --> 00:38:24,285

Then that's stagnation in my opinion.

:

00:38:24,285 --> 00:38:26,595

And so I've always been the kind of

person who wants to learn and grow.

:

00:38:26,955 --> 00:38:28,935

I read a great, a great quote yesterday.

:

00:38:29,294 --> 00:38:30,075

I forget who it was.

:

00:38:30,464 --> 00:38:33,555

It said, live, like you're

gonna die tomorrow, but learn

:

00:38:33,555 --> 00:38:34,725

like you're gonna live forever.

:

00:38:34,815 --> 00:38:36,105

It might have been Gandhi

or something like that.

:

00:38:36,215 --> 00:38:38,885

But yeah, I just always wanna continue

to learn and be around people who are

:

00:38:38,885 --> 00:38:41,075

doing new things that, that excite me.

:

00:38:41,555 --> 00:38:43,295

So you just have to get over it.

:

00:38:43,295 --> 00:38:47,465

Dude, at a certain point, the

difference between 1 million and

:

00:38:47,465 --> 00:38:51,785

10 million or a hundred million,

that's a, that's a huge spread.

:

00:38:51,815 --> 00:38:52,085

Yep.

:

00:38:52,205 --> 00:38:55,295

But these are just people like you

or me, the amount of money, it's

:

00:38:55,295 --> 00:38:56,435

just a number in your bank account.

:

00:38:57,665 --> 00:39:01,355

In this town, you can live like

a millionaire making 30 grand.

:

00:39:01,625 --> 00:39:01,685

Yeah.

:

00:39:01,775 --> 00:39:04,265

So it's just, it's just in your,

it's all in your head, man.

:

00:39:04,265 --> 00:39:05,285

It doesn't, it doesn't matter.

:

00:39:05,375 --> 00:39:08,375

So you just kinda, once you arrive

at that point, it just gets easy.

:

00:39:08,465 --> 00:39:12,995

You just, I've already made

a fortune and lost a fortune.

:

00:39:13,355 --> 00:39:17,105

You know, I went bankrupt in:

so I've been to the mountaintop and

:

00:39:17,105 --> 00:39:18,875

then bend to the bottom of the barrel.

:

00:39:19,415 --> 00:39:22,625

And so after that, it's like,

dude, none of this matters.

:

00:39:22,955 --> 00:39:23,880

So just do what you wanna do.

:

00:39:24,785 --> 00:39:27,665

If you want to build yourself back up,

get around people who are already up

:

00:39:27,665 --> 00:39:28,835

there, and that's how you get there.

:

00:39:29,345 --> 00:39:33,095

Tyler: I was at a conference recently

with people with a lot of money.

:

00:39:33,275 --> 00:39:33,635

Mm-hmm.

:

00:39:33,875 --> 00:39:38,225

And, and one of the, my favorite quotes,

and I've, I've heard it elsewhere, but

:

00:39:38,225 --> 00:39:41,645

hearing it from him, like, and actually

hearing his journey, because like when I

:

00:39:41,645 --> 00:39:43,895

sat down and had an opportunity to talk

to this guy, I was like, I'm gonna make

:

00:39:43,895 --> 00:39:45,485

this my own personal podcast right here.

:

00:39:45,485 --> 00:39:47,405

And I just like came out

with all the questions.

:

00:39:47,435 --> 00:39:47,675

All: Yeah.

:

00:39:47,945 --> 00:39:49,235

Tyler: And my favorite

thing that he said was.

:

00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,070

The hardest million to

make is the first million.

:

00:39:52,070 --> 00:39:52,310

Mm-hmm.

:

00:39:52,545 --> 00:39:55,370

He goes, because then to double that,

you already know how to make a million.

:

00:39:55,370 --> 00:39:57,260

So you just make the next two.

:

00:39:57,410 --> 00:39:57,560

Yeah.

:

00:39:57,590 --> 00:39:59,150

He goes, and now you have two.

:

00:39:59,150 --> 00:40:00,740

It's easy to make the next four.

:

00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,440

And then he goes, and then just

starts compounding over that.

:

00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,050

And then you start having the

capital to invest in other things.

:

00:40:06,050 --> 00:40:08,810

That's your passion about maybe there's

a return on it, maybe there's not.

:

00:40:08,955 --> 00:40:11,420

He's like, and then you can actually

start hanging out like with you.

:

00:40:11,420 --> 00:40:12,890

So with the mastermind type of things.

:

00:40:12,980 --> 00:40:13,190

Yeah.

:

00:40:13,250 --> 00:40:16,880

Like you start attracting the same people

and then other opportunities start to.

:

00:40:17,240 --> 00:40:18,950

Kind of emerge in everything.

:

00:40:19,220 --> 00:40:24,200

So it was just really interesting hearing

how the whole growth process happened.

:

00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:29,590

And he was grew up from not a lot of

money as well too, and found a job

:

00:40:29,590 --> 00:40:32,740

that he really liked and was able to

move up the ranks and talk to the right

:

00:40:32,740 --> 00:40:34,210

people, asked the right questions.

:

00:40:34,210 --> 00:40:38,110

And that's kind of basically what got

him to the, to the point that he got.

:

00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,620

And one of the main reasons why I

started this podcast was to have

:

00:40:41,620 --> 00:40:44,840

the conversations with people just.

:

00:40:45,425 --> 00:40:47,075

Many other success podcasts.

:

00:40:47,165 --> 00:40:49,745

Yeah, so I always use the Jay-Z example.

:

00:40:49,925 --> 00:40:53,915

It was like, oh yeah, I started out like

cleaning toilets and stuff and it was

:

00:40:53,915 --> 00:40:57,275

like, then I had opportunity to record

this one time, and then like one thing

:

00:40:57,275 --> 00:40:59,945

led to another and now I'm Jay-Z, and I

have like hundreds of millions of dollars.

:

00:41:00,035 --> 00:41:01,475

I'm like, okay, what

are those middle steps?

:

00:41:01,475 --> 00:41:01,655

All: Yeah.

:

00:41:01,805 --> 00:41:02,855

What happened between there?

:

00:41:02,855 --> 00:41:03,695

That's what I want to know.

:

00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,430

Tyler: And so the more and more I

talk to these people, it is just the

:

00:41:06,430 --> 00:41:10,030

passion for growth and willing to ask

questions and the willingness to fail

:

00:41:10,030 --> 00:41:11,530

and just putting yourself out there.

:

00:41:11,770 --> 00:41:12,010

Yeah.

:

00:41:12,070 --> 00:41:16,690

That was the only part that was missing

that I was like, so Direly trying to find.

:

00:41:16,900 --> 00:41:17,050

Yeah.

:

00:41:17,050 --> 00:41:19,600

I was like, it's just finding

the opportunity and willing to

:

00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,190

fail to find that opportunity.

:

00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:22,360

Christian: Dude, I mean,

that's so well said.

:

00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,610

You know, winners lose

more than losers do.

:

00:41:24,670 --> 00:41:24,760

Mm-hmm.

:

00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,080

That's just the truth.

:

00:41:26,380 --> 00:41:29,230

You just, you don't see that until you

see them when they're successful and

:

00:41:29,230 --> 00:41:30,520

they're on the top and you don't realize.

:

00:41:30,875 --> 00:41:33,155

The path they had to forge to get there.

:

00:41:33,215 --> 00:41:33,425

Right.

:

00:41:33,575 --> 00:41:35,915

And maybe it started this

way and ended up up here too.

:

00:41:35,915 --> 00:41:39,975

You know, you never know where but just

you're always one relationship away from

:

00:41:40,035 --> 00:41:45,195

a really major pivot in your life that

could be really good or or really bad.

:

00:41:45,435 --> 00:41:45,585

Right?

:

00:41:45,585 --> 00:41:46,395

So, but you won't know.

:

00:41:46,395 --> 00:41:48,225

And I guess it's distill it down.

:

00:41:48,255 --> 00:41:51,105

You just have to put yourself out there

and not take yourself so seriously

:

00:41:51,105 --> 00:41:54,525

and be like, dude, we're just three

guys here shooting the breeze.

:

00:41:54,735 --> 00:41:54,795

Yeah.

:

00:41:54,825 --> 00:41:56,685

But this relationship could.

:

00:41:57,090 --> 00:42:00,120

Materialize something really

big someday, that'd be awesome.

:

00:42:00,150 --> 00:42:01,590

If not, it's great right now.

:

00:42:01,650 --> 00:42:01,920

Right.

:

00:42:01,950 --> 00:42:04,350

And it just don't take

it so seriously, man.

:

00:42:04,380 --> 00:42:04,650

Yeah.

:

00:42:04,950 --> 00:42:05,285

This is my thought.

:

00:42:06,210 --> 00:42:09,000

Tyler: That's why I tell Chris all

the time, don't take it so seriously.

:

00:42:09,630 --> 00:42:12,090

Well, not just that, but like

anything could come from anywhere.

:

00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:12,450

Yes.

:

00:42:12,450 --> 00:42:12,810

Right.

:

00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:13,080

Yeah.

:

00:42:13,140 --> 00:42:15,090

And like just taking an opportunity.

:

00:42:15,090 --> 00:42:17,290

'cause one of his things like, oh,

I don't have the money to do that.

:

00:42:17,530 --> 00:42:20,980

And me being in the business than I

am, I'm like, money is everywhere dude.

:

00:42:21,010 --> 00:42:21,310

Christian: Dude.

:

00:42:21,490 --> 00:42:22,175

Yes, yes.

:

00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,170

That's the truth.

:

00:42:23,170 --> 00:42:25,510

And some people have way more

than you ever even thought.

:

00:42:25,720 --> 00:42:27,730

But if you wanna get rich,

hang out with rich people.

:

00:42:27,910 --> 00:42:28,120

All: Yeah.

:

00:42:28,330 --> 00:42:30,820

Christian: You know, you wanna become

a good pickleball player, hang out

:

00:42:30,820 --> 00:42:33,160

with pickleball players, you wanna be

a good surfer, hang out with surfers.

:

00:42:33,610 --> 00:42:36,130

But you can't sit home and, and

say, I wanna be a surfer, but

:

00:42:36,130 --> 00:42:37,300

never go to the beach or never.

:

00:42:37,390 --> 00:42:37,780

Right.

:

00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:39,130

Hang out at the surf shop, whatever.

:

00:42:39,130 --> 00:42:42,580

You just gotta, that proximity

principle is so real, man.

:

00:42:42,580 --> 00:42:42,670

Yes.

:

00:42:42,670 --> 00:42:45,610

So you just get in the room with

people that are living your dreams

:

00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,250

and then it just, it happens.

:

00:42:48,250 --> 00:42:50,830

You got, and again, you

gotta put in the work.

:

00:42:51,490 --> 00:42:51,760

Right.

:

00:42:51,820 --> 00:42:54,430

And, and you know, success

doesn't reward shy people.

:

00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,930

You gotta put yourself out there.

:

00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:56,080

Mm-hmm.

:

00:42:56,350 --> 00:42:57,670

But you do it, man.

:

00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:58,780

It's not rocket science.

:

00:42:58,810 --> 00:42:59,110

Chris: Yeah.

:

00:42:59,110 --> 00:42:59,120

Yeah.

:

00:42:59,170 --> 00:43:02,500

It's been the running joke

because everyone, I've had people.

:

00:43:03,100 --> 00:43:07,660

Come up to me outside of like, like

out off the podcast and be like,

:

00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:12,940

so whenever you open up your bottle

shop and I'm like, ma'am, I'm not

:

00:43:12,940 --> 00:43:14,380

actually opening a bottle shop.

:

00:43:14,410 --> 00:43:14,710

Yeah.

:

00:43:14,950 --> 00:43:17,860

I have to, like we said,

you have to have a passion.

:

00:43:17,860 --> 00:43:20,650

Like you have to have something that

you wanna work towards and you still

:

00:43:20,650 --> 00:43:24,490

gotta have a nine to five and like a

bottle shop I think is a great idea.

:

00:43:25,300 --> 00:43:28,060

Have I written it out and have

a plan to like take to somebody?

:

00:43:28,180 --> 00:43:28,600

No.

:

00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:30,880

It's just Chris concepts.

:

00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:35,320

Like I have a lot of them and 92% of

them are not gonna come to fruition.

:

00:43:35,770 --> 00:43:39,160

But Tyler is always here to hype me

up and like, talk to this person.

:

00:43:39,310 --> 00:43:40,840

Go ask that guy, they'll help you out.

:

00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:41,260

I'm like,

:

00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,540

Christian: that's beautiful, man.

:

00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:43,720

Yeah.

:

00:43:43,930 --> 00:43:45,220

That's the value of that though.

:

00:43:45,220 --> 00:43:46,660

You gotta have a coach.

:

00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:50,620

Yes, you gotta have a mentor or a

friend if, if he's not pushing you.

:

00:43:51,715 --> 00:43:54,595

Then if you really wanna have a bottle

shop, you could have a bottle shop.

:

00:43:54,655 --> 00:43:54,955

Yes.

:

00:43:55,015 --> 00:43:57,475

And maybe when that day comes,

it's because Tyler kept kicking

:

00:43:57,475 --> 00:43:59,875

your ass saying, dude, fuck you

doing, get, get your shit together.

:

00:43:59,875 --> 00:44:00,475

Get this bottle shop.

:

00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:01,060

Oh, a hundred percent.

:

00:44:01,135 --> 00:44:03,715

You know, like, but if he's not,

if he's not there to do that, then

:

00:44:03,715 --> 00:44:05,575

you're just gonna go on your merry

way and just have a good idea.

:

00:44:05,665 --> 00:44:06,205

We all do that.

:

00:44:06,205 --> 00:44:07,045

We're all guilty of that.

:

00:44:07,075 --> 00:44:08,515

It's like, oh, I'd love to have that car.

:

00:44:08,515 --> 00:44:09,055

I'd love to do this.

:

00:44:09,055 --> 00:44:09,805

I'd love to do this one day.

:

00:44:09,805 --> 00:44:11,275

But you gotta, you gotta.

:

00:44:12,115 --> 00:44:15,055

Confess and confess to

the world what you want.

:

00:44:15,415 --> 00:44:17,485

And then just the fact that

random people come and say that to

:

00:44:17,485 --> 00:44:18,925

you, man, that's accountability.

:

00:44:19,015 --> 00:44:19,255

Yeah.

:

00:44:19,405 --> 00:44:20,965

And accountability is

what gets things done.

:

00:44:21,025 --> 00:44:22,195

So I think that's awesome.

:

00:44:23,095 --> 00:44:24,355

Chris: So thank you.

:

00:44:25,075 --> 00:44:30,205

It's always, it's, it's fun when like

someone who I know has like taken that

:

00:44:30,205 --> 00:44:33,565

jump in, that leap to do something

different is like, you can do it.

:

00:44:34,015 --> 00:44:35,185

It'll happen if you want it to.

:

00:44:35,185 --> 00:44:35,365

Yeah.

:

00:44:35,755 --> 00:44:38,275

Christian: Well that's the biggest

thing, man, that like, it's why

:

00:44:38,275 --> 00:44:39,175

I've said it a couple times now.

:

00:44:39,925 --> 00:44:43,205

Don't take everything so

seriously because it, you know,

:

00:44:43,865 --> 00:44:45,305

it could all end in a second.

:

00:44:45,515 --> 00:44:45,605

Mm-hmm.

:

00:44:45,845 --> 00:44:45,935

Right?

:

00:44:45,935 --> 00:44:46,865

Without being morbid.

:

00:44:47,234 --> 00:44:52,035

But the, the reality you make is the

reality that you want and vice versa.

:

00:44:52,035 --> 00:44:54,944

So you just, you can do it.

:

00:44:54,944 --> 00:44:56,205

You have more control than you think.

:

00:44:56,415 --> 00:44:57,855

I'll, even with that, I like

:

00:44:57,855 --> 00:44:57,915

Chris: it.

:

00:44:58,575 --> 00:45:06,375

So one of my final questions is super,

I don't know if we've added it since

:

00:45:06,375 --> 00:45:09,725

you were on, but still I'm gonna ask,

because you've done a lot in life,

:

00:45:10,025 --> 00:45:12,965

you've done a lot, you've failed,

sometimes you've done even more.

:

00:45:13,325 --> 00:45:15,125

What does success look like to you?

:

00:45:16,145 --> 00:45:17,285

Christian: Man, success for me.

:

00:45:17,705 --> 00:45:18,485

It's funny you said that.

:

00:45:18,485 --> 00:45:20,285

I, I said this to my wife yesterday.

:

00:45:20,655 --> 00:45:22,005

Because we were out running errands.

:

00:45:22,005 --> 00:45:27,705

We drove from our house right next door

up to Porter's neck, out to Castle Hane,

:

00:45:28,035 --> 00:45:30,345

down to Monkey Junction back around.

:

00:45:30,345 --> 00:45:33,195

We did like the full circle

of Wilmington and we made what

:

00:45:33,195 --> 00:45:34,755

feels like a thousand stops.

:

00:45:35,175 --> 00:45:35,565

But yeah.

:

00:45:36,629 --> 00:45:40,170

Being able to, I think I'm reading a book

right now, I'm almost done with it, called

:

00:45:40,170 --> 00:45:41,910

The Five Types of Wealth by Sahil Bloom.

:

00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:43,589

I highly recommend it.

:

00:45:43,620 --> 00:45:44,520

It's amazing.

:

00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:48,990

It goes through and talks about physical

wealth, mental wealth, financial wealth,

:

00:45:48,990 --> 00:45:53,249

spiritual wealth a lot of really kind

of deep concepts, but it's an easy read.

:

00:45:53,669 --> 00:45:57,269

But just having the ability to

do what you want, when you want,

:

00:45:57,269 --> 00:45:59,279

with who you want is success.

:

00:45:59,279 --> 00:46:02,759

And so to go to all these little

places and run into Lowe's.

:

00:46:03,464 --> 00:46:06,884

Buy whatever you want and not to

get out the checkbook and balance

:

00:46:06,884 --> 00:46:07,844

it 'cause we can afford it.

:

00:46:07,844 --> 00:46:08,444

'cause we're blessed.

:

00:46:08,444 --> 00:46:09,734

'cause we work hard for that.

:

00:46:09,974 --> 00:46:10,634

That's amazing.

:

00:46:10,874 --> 00:46:14,714

To be able to be in the car with

my two kids and my wife to be

:

00:46:14,714 --> 00:46:17,324

married, someone wanted to marry

me, that's freaking success.

:

00:46:17,324 --> 00:46:17,654

You know?

:

00:46:18,084 --> 00:46:20,754

To have two healthy, beautiful

kids, that's success.

:

00:46:21,054 --> 00:46:24,174

And then to like ride by the

beach and be living where we are.

:

00:46:24,384 --> 00:46:27,504

I mean, I'm a successful guy without

bragging because I'm healthy.

:

00:46:27,804 --> 00:46:28,734

I live in Wilmington.

:

00:46:28,734 --> 00:46:29,784

I'm married, I'm blessed.

:

00:46:29,784 --> 00:46:30,894

My parents live a mile away.

:

00:46:31,569 --> 00:46:34,989

And so success means different

things to different people.

:

00:46:35,079 --> 00:46:37,419

But that's, that's what success is to me.

:

00:46:37,509 --> 00:46:37,749

Chris: Nice.

:

00:46:37,749 --> 00:46:38,559

Yeah, I like it.

:

00:46:39,009 --> 00:46:44,140

So then my second to last, silly

but legit question because you

:

00:46:44,140 --> 00:46:47,140

were successful and you can like,

drive around town, do silly stuff.

:

00:46:47,470 --> 00:46:48,654

I'm gonna put you on the spot.

:

00:46:48,685 --> 00:46:49,045

All right?

:

00:46:49,734 --> 00:46:51,444

Mostly because you got

a Starbucks over here.

:

00:46:52,075 --> 00:46:54,504

What is your favorite

coffee joint in town?

:

00:46:55,045 --> 00:46:55,674

Christian: Oh, dude.

:

00:46:56,665 --> 00:46:58,585

It, well, I don't wanna

sound like a schmuck.

:

00:46:58,855 --> 00:47:00,445

I go to Starbucks a lot, man.

:

00:47:00,835 --> 00:47:04,975

And I, you know, support in the

man is, is not usually my thing,

:

00:47:04,975 --> 00:47:06,955

but it's, it's very convenient.

:

00:47:07,315 --> 00:47:09,815

I love I went drift in Porter's neck.

:

00:47:09,845 --> 00:47:09,920

Mm-hmm.

:

00:47:09,926 --> 00:47:10,420

Is amazing.

:

00:47:10,420 --> 00:47:10,430

Mm-hmm.

:

00:47:10,895 --> 00:47:11,675

It's a beautiful spot.

:

00:47:11,675 --> 00:47:11,765

Mm-hmm.

:

00:47:12,005 --> 00:47:14,525

And I didn't realize those

guys have nine stores now.

:

00:47:15,305 --> 00:47:15,965

Yeah's amazing.

:

00:47:15,965 --> 00:47:17,225

Like, local success story.

:

00:47:17,735 --> 00:47:18,140

I've been.

:

00:47:19,790 --> 00:47:21,680

I kind of like rotate

through coffee shops.

:

00:47:21,740 --> 00:47:24,440

I go, I love Blue Cup, I love AZA Station.

:

00:47:24,740 --> 00:47:27,255

'cause obviously I love the Cargo

District, so I'm there all the time.

:

00:47:27,255 --> 00:47:27,615

Mm-hmm.

:

00:47:28,155 --> 00:47:31,415

The Folkstone slow bars in, in

my building, the design works.

:

00:47:31,685 --> 00:47:36,305

They have a little coffee kiosk there

that the guy who runs that is super cool.

:

00:47:36,635 --> 00:47:37,565

They make great coffee.

:

00:47:38,015 --> 00:47:40,475

I'm, I'm a generalist

when it comes to coffee.

:

00:47:40,685 --> 00:47:40,925

Okay.

:

00:47:41,135 --> 00:47:42,335

I don't have a, I don't have a favorite.

:

00:47:42,365 --> 00:47:42,465

I don't.

:

00:47:43,385 --> 00:47:44,945

I if's there when I need it.

:

00:47:44,945 --> 00:47:49,055

I gotta have it, so I'm not

gonna, I'm gonna abstain.

:

00:47:49,055 --> 00:47:51,605

I do sound like a politician

staying on this one.

:

00:47:51,605 --> 00:47:52,985

I'm not running for office.

:

00:47:53,555 --> 00:47:56,885

Tyler: No, I, it's hard for me too

though, especially there's so many great

:

00:47:56,885 --> 00:48:00,185

spots that I'm in different parts of

the town, so like I have a spot I can

:

00:48:00,185 --> 00:48:02,225

go to anywhere and I'm happy with it.

:

00:48:02,225 --> 00:48:06,305

And then also each one does something

really well that's different.

:

00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:07,370

I enjoy.

:

00:48:07,370 --> 00:48:11,000

So like if there's like a latte that

I want a specific latte, so like

:

00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,800

Azalea station and, and Blue Cup.

:

00:48:12,860 --> 00:48:13,040

Mm-hmm.

:

00:48:13,460 --> 00:48:16,370

There's a couple lattes that are

just amazing that no one can touch

:

00:48:16,370 --> 00:48:17,900

if they try to like, replicate it.

:

00:48:17,960 --> 00:48:18,200

Yeah.

:

00:48:18,290 --> 00:48:20,720

Like, so I go there for

those specific ones.

:

00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:22,820

If I just need something quick.

:

00:48:22,820 --> 00:48:25,160

To your point, Starbucks

is a third of a mile.

:

00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,650

That way I, I walked it out.

:

00:48:27,830 --> 00:48:27,950

Yeah.

:

00:48:27,980 --> 00:48:29,660

So that's why I pick it up.

:

00:48:29,660 --> 00:48:30,140

And that's it.

:

00:48:30,380 --> 00:48:32,960

Christian: When you have the itch,

whoever will scratch it, you exactly.

:

00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:33,710

Different strokes.

:

00:48:33,710 --> 00:48:34,340

But, yeah.

:

00:48:34,430 --> 00:48:35,630

So what's yours?

:

00:48:35,630 --> 00:48:37,730

I mean, do you have a, are

you a diehard individual?

:

00:48:37,730 --> 00:48:37,970

One?

:

00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:40,190

Chris: I don't drink coffee because

he doesn't drink coffee at all.

:

00:48:40,190 --> 00:48:41,480

He's just trying to stir a pot.

:

00:48:41,630 --> 00:48:46,460

I, so I, if someone, it's been a running

joke at work 'cause people are like,

:

00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:47,600

oh hey, we're doing a coffee run.

:

00:48:47,600 --> 00:48:48,170

You want anything?

:

00:48:48,170 --> 00:48:49,940

And I'm like, I don't drink coffee.

:

00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:50,240

Yeah.

:

00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:51,605

And so I look like cake.

:

00:48:52,070 --> 00:48:52,940

I look like a douche.

:

00:48:52,970 --> 00:48:54,260

'cause I'm like, I'm too good for coffee.

:

00:48:54,260 --> 00:48:55,550

I'm like, I just don't drink coffee.

:

00:48:55,850 --> 00:48:58,160

I will literally, I had one yesterday.

:

00:48:58,490 --> 00:48:59,780

Because I don't drink it.

:

00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,450

The caffeine hits me so much harder.

:

00:49:02,540 --> 00:49:03,320

Oh, that's gotta be nice.

:

00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:05,210

And so I'm just like, jittery.

:

00:49:05,750 --> 00:49:07,100

And people are like, are you okay?

:

00:49:07,100 --> 00:49:08,930

And I'm like, yeah, you're eye twitching.

:

00:49:08,930 --> 00:49:11,540

I'm like, I need water to

calm down The caffeine.

:

00:49:11,540 --> 00:49:11,600

Yeah.

:

00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,320

So yeah, I, I'll drink

matcha every once in a while.

:

00:49:16,010 --> 00:49:19,010

I will say Azalea Station, I

typically get a matcha there

:

00:49:19,370 --> 00:49:20,780

whenever I'm getting a haircut.

:

00:49:21,110 --> 00:49:22,590

From complex cuts.

:

00:49:22,650 --> 00:49:23,550

Josh, shout out.

:

00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:23,880

Oh, yeah.

:

00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:26,900

Or still Sundial.

:

00:49:27,290 --> 00:49:30,470

That matcha we had like a

year ago was still on my mind.

:

00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:31,400

So yeah.

:

00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:32,120

Up in Surf City.

:

00:49:32,570 --> 00:49:32,930

Christian: Oh yeah.

:

00:49:33,110 --> 00:49:34,520

I gotta give a shout out actually.

:

00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:41,420

Wil Trione Luna Cafe Luna is, will,

is the hardest working man in showbiz.

:

00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:42,020

That's true.

:

00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:43,370

Best drummer in the Southeast.

:

00:49:43,370 --> 00:49:44,030

Hands down.

:

00:49:44,420 --> 00:49:46,100

But his coffee shop is amazing.

:

00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:49,190

And whenever I'm down in the Castle

Street antique district, I go there.

:

00:49:49,580 --> 00:49:51,740

I just, I just drink black

coffee though, so I'm not like I

:

00:49:51,740 --> 00:49:53,000

don't need anything beyond that.

:

00:49:53,390 --> 00:49:54,530

This is kind of a one-off.

:

00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:56,510

It's not, probably not in the shot, is it?

:

00:49:56,510 --> 00:49:57,380

I'm gonna cover it with my foot.

:

00:49:57,890 --> 00:50:02,330

But yeah, I would say if I have to say, if

I have to pick a favorite because I love

:

00:50:02,330 --> 00:50:03,980

Will to death, and his coffee is amazing.

:

00:50:03,980 --> 00:50:05,570

He roasted himself just off the streets.

:

00:50:05,570 --> 00:50:08,720

He had a roasting station, so

in a cafe on Castle Street.

:

00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:09,950

That's, that's my final answer

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Tyler: down for it, Tyler.

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He is a good shop too.

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I used to go there a lot when I

was down on Castle Street more.

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Yeah.

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But yeah, I, I would agree.

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He's good too.

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Okay.

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But the, I went to Hidden Grounds for

the first time in a while just because

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it didn't have a line when I drove

by and I was like, I'll pick that up.

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Is it the hype again?

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Like, it comes down to like, if

there's a specific latte that I

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really like there, I'll pick it up.

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A new one that just opened up that,

now I'm just gonna forget Calico.

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Right down the road from us here

in Landfall Shopping Center.

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Oh yeah, I saw that for that.

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Yeah, they have some good ice lattes.

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If you wanna go to ice latte.

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They got some really good

stuff down there too.

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Yeah.

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So if there is anything

specific, let me know.

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I'll tell you.

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Be shopping.

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I'll shout

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Chris: out Bevy Bevy my, yeah,

we were talking about that.

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They do some really good they

had a matcha, I had something

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from them, like some sort of

matcha cold foam coconut milk.

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I was like.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Yeah, I can, I understand why

people get this every single day.

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Christian: That's, they've got a

sleeper who owns the place, that's why.

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Mm-hmm.

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Yes.

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Cheeto from Bespoke, he's,

he's the coffee guru.

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So for him to slide in and

run it under the guise of a,

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a quickie mart is very smooth.

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They have a functional

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Tyler: latte there.

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Yeah.

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It's amazing.

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It's a, and it doesn't give you like

the, the super hype like caffeine spike.

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Yeah.

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Just 'cause of the way they make it.

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It's really good.

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Okay.

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Chris: Yeah.

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That's another business where.

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In my head when, when you say, oh, you

can open a bottle shop, and you're like,

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you gotta be the only person running it.

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But if you have people, there's

not just one person running bevy.

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Like there's a group of people

that work together mm-hmm.

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That got it up and running.

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So shout out Bevy March.

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Oh yeah.

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00:51:50,860 --> 00:51:52,780

So yeah, everyone that works

there is super nice too.

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Like great people there.

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They've gotta dialed in for sure.

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Yeah.

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Good.

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00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:58,390

So do you wanna shout anything out?

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00:51:58,570 --> 00:51:59,380

We're at the end now.

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00:51:59,785 --> 00:52:02,245

Christian: Man, I just would, I would

like to thank you guys for having me.

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Of course.

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This is of course, always a great

conversation and always great whiskey.

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00:52:06,425 --> 00:52:09,365

Probably gonna have one more little

sip before I down right ahead.

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It's Sunday afternoon.

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00:52:10,655 --> 00:52:11,105

Yeah, exactly.

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A little bit of the

sacrament on the Sabbath.

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Yeah.

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No, but I just wanna thank you guys

for the opportunity to be here.

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00:52:15,415 --> 00:52:16,435

I have Aloha.

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00:52:16,435 --> 00:52:18,295

Wilmington Real Estate is my my day job.

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00:52:18,325 --> 00:52:21,325

And then nine to five if you guys

have any needs with real estate,

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00:52:21,325 --> 00:52:25,485

commercial, residential, and commercial

residential property management as well.

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00:52:25,665 --> 00:52:29,515

Love the opportunity to meet with you,

chat with you look at your portfolio and

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00:52:29,545 --> 00:52:31,865

see how we can help you provide value.

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00:52:31,865 --> 00:52:32,315

I just want to.

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Come from contributions, anything I

can do for anybody real estate related,

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00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:41,280

or if you wanna talk about trees in

the city of Wilmington expert now.

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00:52:41,340 --> 00:52:42,360

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

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00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,140

But thank you guys.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, thank you.

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00:52:44,580 --> 00:52:45,570

Chris: It's been a blast.

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We'll catch you in the next one, but don't

forget light, comment, share, subscribe.

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00:52:49,355 --> 00:52:51,365

And in the comments let us know.

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Do you have a favorite tree in Wilmington?

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00:52:54,455 --> 00:52:57,155

Like, it's been an interesting

'cause, like we're in live Oak area,

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00:52:57,155 --> 00:52:58,625

like everyone's known for Live Oaks.

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00:52:58,625 --> 00:52:58,745

Mm-hmm.

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00:52:59,105 --> 00:53:00,485

I didn't know Live Oak was a thing.

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00:53:00,485 --> 00:53:03,065

I thought we were just a pine

in city to be completely honest.

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Oh, it's a thing.

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So yeah, let me know your favorite tree.

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We'll catch you the next one.

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Cheers.

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POD:

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